Arch Nemsis

[b3albake]

EDIT: for the sake of not having this backfire, I'm changing the format.

Since we’ve indulged, collectively, in a gratuitous sequence of self-discovery threads, I say why not one more!

I would like you to name a maximum of three people who you consider to be your arch nemesis on this forum. The friendly spirit of this thread should not be abused to insult people, rather to give a candid opinion of one to three people who have irritated you the most, and why.

Please do not be hostile. I'll start:

Sprite
Jihad4BeerDo share, people!

[jimbo]

EDIT: for the sake of not having this backfire, I'm changing the format.

Since we’ve indulged, collectively, in a gratuitous sequence of self-discovery threads, I say why not one more!

I would like you to name a maximum of three people who you consider to be your arch nemesis on this forum. The friendly spirit of this thread should not be abused to insult people, rather to give a candid opinion of one to three people who have irritated you the most, and why.

Please do not be hostile. I'll start:

Sprite
Jihad4BeerDo share, people!


average american
bilal

[mosbah88]

bullets of rage
Ali
princess nahrin

[Phoenician_girl]

- Bullets of Rage
- B3albake :p

[bilal]

average american
bilal

kief !! :eek: :eek:

[b3albake]

M. - you are also on my list =) - I just didn't mention it :p

- Bullets of Rage
- B3albake :p

[LF Gladiator]

bullets of rage
progressive
[dani]

[Stan]

Mustaqbal-When he shares with us his insights on Shiism :rolleyes:
Tabouk- When he gets away with banning while I get banned for much less:o
Boulos - When he goes on a banning crusade :p

[cedars]

All of you :)

[libertarian]

No one here has ever succeeded in annoying me to the degree, and consistently enough, to where I would brand them my "arch nemesis".


Edit: But Stan comes close. :cool:

[b3albake]

Don't forget to state why ;)

Nice one cedars, we love you too! :p

[Cetine]

b3albake didn't see you state why :)

w maestro cedars, that was a dagger through my heart lol

[b3albake]

Here's why:

Sprite: too rigid in his self belief and theories on how Arabs are savages. :rolleyes:
Jihad4beer: Completely ignorant of the Middle East and world affairs, but it does not stop him from sharing his superfluous opinion. :rolleyes:
Phoenician_girl: ejja 3abele. ;)

And, libertarian, "Arch Nemesis" is slightly dramatized.

No one here has ever succeeded in annoying me to the degree, and consistently enough, to where I would brand them my "arch nemesis".


Edit: But Stan comes close. :cool:

[Phoenician_girl]

M. - you are also on my list =) - I just didn't mention it :p

In fact I got disappointed that I wasn't ;)

Ok so reasons hmmmm:

Bullets of Rage: It's not because he's with Hezballah, he's just way too brainwashed by Iran and Syria. No objectivity whatsoever.

B3albake: Ok if I say white, B3albake HAS to say black under any circumstances just for the plain reason to piss me off. He just loves to get my threads closed (admit it). :rolleyes:

[rm_uk]

lol i've had arguments with so many people here. Even the ones everyone loves and thinks of as nice, ie the popular ones. I am not here to be liked

My arch nemesis are all the zionists on this forum that stroll around arrogantly pretending they want peace and they are our friends :mad:

[b3albake]

Ohh, don't worry, you're in my heart and soul :)

There maybe some truth to what you say, or is it more like everything you say, naturally, contradicts everything I say. Either way, M, I'm one of those rare people you would just love to hate ;)



In fact I got disappointed that I wasn't ;)


B3albake: Ok if I say white, B3albake HAS to say black under any circumstances just for the plain reason to piss me off. He just loves to get my threads closed (admit it). :rolleyes:

[Seeman]

All of you :)
Cedars!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!..............

[reine]

for some reason my "arch nemesis" as you call them b3albake stop posting on the forum after a while... maybe i just annoy the heck out of them :p

there was one member sarab akeed, gosh he used to irritate me, i remember following him from thread to thread with one quote of his.

another one was rhodondertonr... dont know how its spelled honestly, he was here for a few days but damn he was irritating, he would misquote you deliberately.

i guess whats funny is that both were extremists, one for the muslim umma, and the other for israeli pride ;)

p.s. there's always Dio, hehe, he never goes away though, ;)

[Dionysos]

p.s. there's always Dio, hehe, he never goes away though, ;)


Hehehe..... You truly missed me that month when I was banned, now didn't you!?

[cedars]

b3albake didn't see you state why :)

w maestro cedars, that was a dagger through my heart lol

You should know that you are all like my children :)

[reine]

Hehehe..... You truly missed me that month when I was banned, now didn't you!?


ummm... no comment hehehe... but you know whats weird is that when someone is banned or MIA, they tend to pop into my head after a while and it almost always means they return to posting within a couple of days! it has happened so often over the past year its amazing... must be spiritiual, i have telepathy or something ;) (i know you wont believe me)

[Dionysos]

ummm... no comment hehehe... but you know whats weird is that when someone is banned or MIA, they tend to pop into my head after a while and it almost always means they return to posting within a couple of days! it has happened so often over the past year its amazing... must be spiritiual, i have telepathy or something ;) (i know you wont believe me)

Come on... Just admit it :P

oh and no comment on your telepathy gift....

[jimbo]

kief !! :eek: :eek:


i mistook you for correctour,
my bad bilal
you both have the lebanese flag,:p

[b3albake]

I'm susprised how reluctant people are to participate here... come on... it's a good laugh...

[haddad]

Princess Nahrin: So intense!:D

LF Forum Ghost Moderator: My thread Syria's America Best Friend went missing :confused:

[Dionysos]

I'm susprised how reluctant people are to participate here... come on... it's a good laugh...

Ahrar
Reine
Al Arz
Othello

These are people i like debating with in order of preference... I wouldn't call them nemesises (if there's such a word)... They're just the people I just love to disagree with...

ps: sometimes I really feel with the ILLers who are pitted against such an intence team of Iranians.... Sam, B3albake, stan, PP, LU, etc.... I wonder how it would feel like to be on the other side of the equation!

[mosbah88]

May i add Frostbite
and Fatoush ;)

[reine]

ps: sometimes I really feel with the ILLers who are pitted against such an intence team of Iranians.... Sam, B3albake, stan, PP, LU, etc.... I wonder how it would feel like to be on the other side of the equation!

so you do have a heart! hehehe

[Dionysos]

so you do have a heart! hehehe

Human, all too human ;)

[Pygocentrus_Piraya]

I'm surprised how reluctant people are to participate here... come on... it's a good laugh...

B3albake,
was reluctant to participate, so as not to veer off and disrupt the integrity of your thread, but I owe you this.

...really, for me "Arch Nemesis" is a bit extreme. Never took it to that dimension.:)

I've always tried to maintain the basic rule of leaving it to the other side to pick the tone/style of their argument.
Most often, the majority carry their argument like a fire arm they've never used. You can tell when frustration sets in, subsequently loosing their equilibrium and then reverting to shooting randomly, revealing their (mere wishes only) through that thin veil of shallowness (Yefda7o 7alloun easily).
When that's the case, then well...true...I admit...most often, they turn from genuine debaters, to prime pray. That's when my human nature (I guess) takes charge and start aiming at their "Achilles heel."

I've taken it quite often to some extreme myself and stuck my foot in my mouth on several occasions, where I wished I've never said some of the stuff I uttered, especially if I've sniffed a remnance of a good heart behind that person I lunged at later.

I guess you could say that I am my own "worst critic" in a way.
Sorry mate...no arch Nemesis:)

There is a fella though, guess his name is Patrick1?!...that dude, yes...he does make me (salivate) with his "biggotry"...but never had the opportunity to convey my deep, sincere & warm feelings towards him ...anyway, with Boulos 1 as an arbitrator, guess never will.
...(alas):D

[b3albake]

Well, PP, I did mention that my title, Arch Nemesis, is dramatized... =)

As always, though, your input is appreciated.

B3albake,
was reluctant to participate, so as not to veer off and disrupt the integrity of your thread, but I owe you this.

...really, for me "Arch Nemesis" is a bit extreme. Never took it to that dimension.:)

I've always tried to maintain the basic rule of leaving it to the other side to pick the tone/style of their argument.
Most often, the majority carry their argument like a fire arm they've never used. You can tell when frustration sets in, subsequently loosing their equilibrium and then reverting to shooting randomly, revealing their (mere wishes only) through that thin veil of shallowness (Yefda7o 7alloun easily).
When that's the case, then well...true...I admit...most often, they turn from genuine debaters, to prime pray. That's when my human nature (I guess) takes charge and start aiming at their "Achilles heel."

I've taken it quite often to some extreme myself and stuck my foot in my mouth on several occasions, where I wished I've never said some of the stuff I uttered, especially if I've sniffed a remnance of a good heart behind that person I lunged at later.

I guess you could say that I am my own "worst critic" in a way.
Sorry mate...no arch Nemesis:)

There is a fella though, guess his name is Patrick1?!...that dude, yes...he does make me (salivate) with his "biggotry"...but never had the opportunity to convey my deep, sincere & warm feelings towards him ...anyway, with Boulos 1 as an arbitrator, guess never will.
...(alas):D

[bullets of rage]

phoenician girl(for thinking she is higher class:rolleyes: )
libertarian ( simply,can't convince him even if i have proofs)

[cedarleb]

I dont have anyone, I mifgt disagree with many ie rm_uk, Dinosys, Ali_81, etc... But I dont have anything agaisnt anyone, other than that when i wrote 3 weeks ago my last post, I appologized from everyone if I sai something bad to them, whixh mean I dont have any hard feelings for anyone.

Au contrair many do, based on some personal problems (they know themselfs) or based on some arguments that they take it so personal.

Now What personalities I hate ? I can tell you about one:

Ba3lbake: For a reason that he lives in USA, specially Boston, and have the old arabic mentality all he have to do is buy a camel and ride it. He have self confidence which is ok but he abuse it, and think that most people here are less knowledgable then himself. Like he will answer me now and telling me how many grammar mistakes I have like I give a damn about how many they are, simply to deviate from main subject and move the others to look not on my input but on something else less serious. THIS IS I HATE IN A PERSON.
Beside he use lot of big english words to show himself. While he lives in Boston. People there dont showoff. !!!!

And I am sure he call me his nemesis only because I stood and showed him mistakes and didnt agree with him in many subjects. Some subjects which he prove his sectarianism againt every religion, while claiming he is not religious !!!1

For the rest that I had arguments with ie rm_uk, Dinosys, Ali_81 and the nice person Bullet of Rage, I really admire their love and faith in what they fight for, thats why I try my best to fight it back, but in other places we talk normaly which mean these politics arc nemesis are friends in different subjects.

B3alabke is not my arch nemesis, I feel sorry for his mentality.

Thanks.

P.S. The history tells how arabs were and are savages. Just Google it.

[mosbah88]

I dont have anyone, I mifgt disagree with many ie rm_uk, Dinosys, Ali_81, etc... But I dont have anything agaisnt anyone, other than that when i wrote 3 weeks ago my last post, I appologized from everyone if I sai something bad to them, whixh mean I dont have any hard feelings for anyone.

Au contrair many do, based on some personal problems (they know themselfs) or based on some arguments that they take it so personal.

Now What personalities I hate ? I can tell you about one:

Ba3lbake: For a reason that he lives in USA, specially Boston, and have the old arabic mentality all he have to do is buy a camel and ride it. He have self confidence which is ok but he abuse it, and think that most people here are less knowledgable then himself. Like he will answer me now and telling me how many grammar mistakes I have like I give a damn about how many they are, simply to deviate from main subject and move the others to look not on my input but on something else less serious. THIS IS I HATE IN A PERSON.
Beside he use lot of big english words to show himself. While he lives in Boston. People there dont showoff. !!!!

And I am sure he call me his nemesis only because I stood and showed him mistakes and didnt agree with him in many subjects. Some subjects which he prove his sectarianism againt every religion, while claiming he is not religious !!!1

For the rest that I had arguments with ie rm_uk, Dinosys, Ali_81 and the nice person Bullet of Rage, I really admire their love and faith in what they fight for, thats why I try my best to fight it back, but in other places we talk normaly which mean these politics arc nemesis are friends in different subjects.

B3alabke is not my arch nemesis, I feel sorry for his mentality.

Thanks.

P.S. The history tells how arabs were and are savages. Just Google it.

Praffoo walla what r arabs to do with this thread or they r all your arch nemesis? :mad:
you know i agree with many of your ideas but may i know on behalf of who you are talking now?

[Tabouk]

Praffoo walla what r arabs to do with this thread or they r all your arch nemesis? :mad:
you know i agree with many of your ideas but may i know on behalf of who you are talking now?

on behalf of who??
leich on behalf of who are YOU talking?

[cedarleb]

Praffoo walla what r arabs to do with this thread or they r all your arch nemesis? :mad:
you know i agree with many of your ideas but may i know on behalf of who you are talking now?

There is a lebanese quote says: Baddak tikoul housroum wala ti2toul al natour. In this case you are killing the guardian.


Here's why:

Sprite: too rigid in his self belief and theories on how Arabs are savages. :rolleyes:

Why dont u ask the above quoter instead of questioning my answer. what arabs has to do with this thread !!

And I always talk on my behalf, but I am sure there are so many who share me the same opinion. But anyway we are not discussing arabs, wana do this open a new thread and dont deviate from main subject.

[SamIAm]

Hmmm. I had to give this some thought. But, the verdict is in:

Jihad4beer for his completely one-dimensional thinking.

Phoenician_girl for lacking the geography skills to understand the absurdity of her call for Lebanon to join the EU :D

[Phoenician_girl]

Phoenician_girl for lacking the geography skills to understand the absurdity of her call for Lebanon to join the EU :D

I'm your arch nemsis JUST because I hope Lebanon will join the EU???? :rolleyes: Dont u think that's too harsh? :D

PS: I still believe we can join the EU if we really wanted to. I know how hard it is, but what makes it hard is not the geographical issues. But we wont get into that now.

[Dionysos]

I'm your arch nemsis JUST because I hope Lebanon will join the EU???? :rolleyes: Dont u think that's too harsh? :D

PS: I still believe we can join the EU if we really wanted to. I know how hard it is, but what makes it hard is not the geographical issues. But we wont get into that now.

Ever thought of whether or not the EU actually would want you as part of the EU???

[cedarleb]

Ever thought of whether or not the EU actually would want you as part of the EU???

Lebanon is in Europ?

[Tabouk]

Leich Cyprus is in Europe? or the 5% of Turkey makes the country European?
last time i checked Beirut-Limasos is closer then Limasos-Paris or Limasos-Lisbon, i could be wrong though, i'm not good in Geography...

[Ali_81]

Average American: His attitude is not acceptable, he comes here, knowing nothing about the region, he is so full with george bush propaganda on spreading democracy in the region, no way to discuss with him.

[SamIAm]

Leich Cyprus is in Europe? or the 5% of Turkey makes the country European?
last time i checked Beirut-Limasos is closer then Limasos-Paris or Limasos-Lisbon, i could be wrong though, i'm not good in Geography...Min kil 3a2lak you're going to argue that Lebanon has a geographical claim to being in Europe?

Let's reword your argument:

Leish France is in Europe?

last time I checked Algiers-Paris is closer than Paris-Stockholm or Paris-Helsinki, i could be wrong though, i'm not good in Geography...

Geography meen wel ness neymeen???

[SamIAm]

I'm your arch nemsis JUST because I hope Lebanon will join the EU???? :rolleyes: Dont u think that's too harsh? :D

PS: I still believe we can join the EU if we really wanted to. I know how hard it is, but what makes it hard is not the geographical issues. But we wont get into that now.The call on Lebanon to join the EU exemplifies the sum total of what makes you my arch nemesis - it's just one (quite colorful) example :D

[SamIAm]

Lebanon is in Europ?Yes, according to Phoenician_girl and Tabouk :)

[Tabouk]

Min kil 3a2lak you're going to argue that Lebanon has a geographical claim to being in Europe?

Let's reword your argument:

Leish France is in Europe?

last time I checked Algiers-Paris is closer than Paris-Stockholm or Paris-Helsinki, i could be wrong though, i'm not good in Geography...

Geography meen wel ness neymeen???

See why i said "??" under your name ;)
coz out of my reply u understood it as a counter example to your logic, and u used my logic to answer me...

My logic is: Geography meeen wel nees neymeeen? that's MY logic, not yours ;)
so didn't tell me what qualifies Cyprus as European?
more than that, go to Proctor and Gamble's site and apply for a job, and try searching for Lebanon under Asia, hope u will find it...
(hint hint, u will find it under Europe and ME)

[SamIAm]

See why i said "??" under your name ;)
coz out of my reply u understood it as a counter example to your logic, and u used my logic to answer me...

My logic is: Geography meeen wel nees neymeeen? that's MY logic, not yours ;)
so didn't tell me what qualifies Cyprus as European?
more than that, go to Proctor and Gamble's site and apply for a job, and try searching for Lebanon under Asia, hope u will find it...
(hint hint, u will find it under Europe and ME)Ma ta32eda kteer lal ossa khayyeh tabouk.

My argument was simple: Lebanon is not geographically part of Europe - this fact is not even contestable. In a similar way, Lebanon is not part of North America and thus has no claim to becoming a member of NAFTA.

To make things simpler for you, I showed you how your correlation between proximity and continental belonging is fallacious. That is why, as I said, France is in Europe regardless of the fact that it is closer to Algeria than to Sweden.

Your argument was that Cyprus is closer to Lebanon than to France, so why is it in Europe? My answer: well, geographically, it is. Continental location is Geography. You either believe in geographical divisions or you don't. If you don't believe in them, then there is no reason for Brazil to be in South America or for Japan not to be in the Caribbeans. That is one of the purposes of Political Geography, a branch of Human Geography, which, in turn, is a branch of Geography.

The P&G argument is meaningless because:
1) This is an operational division. They could have added Lebanon & Zimbabwe into the Americas if that made sense for their operations.
2) I didn't check the P&G website, but if, as you say, Lebanon is part of their "Europe & Middle East" operational division, that's because it is part of the Middle East and not because it is part of Europe. You said "Europe and Middle East," right?
3) A lot of multinationals choose to group the Middle East & North Africa (MENA) operationally and, if it makes sense, they might then group that with Europe - again operationally. That, however, and to use your own logic again, does not mean that Djibouti is part of Europe.

PS: Are you looking for a job at P&G? PM me. Perhaps I could help; I know a couple of people there :)

[Tabouk]

Ma ta32eda kteer lal ossa khayyeh tabouk.

My argument was simple: Lebanon is not geographically part of Europe - this fact is not even contestable. In a similar way, Lebanon is not part of North America and thus has no claim to becoming a member of NAFTA.

To make things simpler for you, I showed you how your correlation between proximity and continental belonging is fallacious. That is why, as I said, France is in Europe regardless of the fact that it is closer to Algeria than to Sweden.

Your argument was that Cyprus is closer to Lebanon than to France, so why is it in Europe? My answer: well, geographically, it is. Continental location is Geography. You either believe in geographical divisions or you don't. If you don't believe in them, then there is no reason for Brazil to be in South America or for Japan not to be in the Caribbeans. That is one of the purposes of Political Geography, a branch of Human Geography, which, in turn, is a branch of Geography.

The P&G argument is meaningless because:
1) This is an operational division. They could have added Lebanon & Zimbabwe into the Americas if that made sense for their operations.
2) I didn't check the P&G website, but if, as you say, Lebanon is part of their "Europe & Middle East" operational division, that's because it is part of the Middle East and not because it is part of Europe. You said "Europe and Middle East," right?
3) A lot of multinationals choose to group the Middle East & North Africa (MENA) operationally and, if it makes sense, they might then group that with Europe - again operationally. That, however, and to use your own logic again, does not mean that Djibouti is part of Europe.

PS: Are you looking for a job at P&G? PM me. Perhaps I could help; I know a couple of people there :)

Sam,
Habib albi, i'm not arguing you about Lebanon being part of Europe or not, u made it an absurde claim, while it's not!, u can add Lebanon to the EU, manna kteer so3be , i told you Cyprus is not that away, nor is Turkey, so it's not impossible, ma 3am ellak enno Lebanon is a European country, wala 3am ellak enno Lebanon is not ME, the fact that operationally they distribute as such is because ME could be in Asia, Africa and Europe it's in the middle my friend... so the claim of Phoenician_girl is not Absurd... Everything is possible...

To make u understand, there are more absurd claims, some people want to revive the "Historical Syria" or it's called the Fertile Crescent...
Others want to create an Arab Country!! :eek:
Men el khaleeej lal mou7it...

And u still call Lebanon joining the EU absurd??
That's my point...

so again, Geography meeen wel nees neymeeen :cool:

[SamIAm]

Sam,
Habib albi, i'm not arguing you about Lebanon being part of Europe or not, u made it an absurde claim, while it's not!, u can add Lebanon to the EU, manna kteer so3be , i told you Cyprus is not that away, nor is Turkey, so it's not impossible, ma 3am ellak enno Lebanon is a European country, wala 3am ellak enno Lebanon is not ME, the fact that operationally they distribute as such is because ME could be in Asia, Africa and Europe it's in the middle my friend... so the claim of Phoenician_girl is not Absurd... Everything is possible...

To make u understand, there are more absurd claims, some people want to revive the "Historical Syria" or it's called the Fertile Crescent...
Others want to create an Arab Country!! :eek:
Men el khaleeej lal mou7it...

And u still call Lebanon joining the EU absurd??
That's my point...

so again, Geography meeen wel nees neymeeen :cool:

Fact #1: Lebanon is not in Europe.
Claim #1: Lebanon should join the EU.

In light of fact #1, Claim #1 is absurd. Similarly, claiming that Lebanon should join NAFTA is absurd. Both of these unions/agreements have an extremely dominant geographical component.

Fact #2: Lebanon is in the Middle East.
Claim #2: Lebanon should join a Middle Eastern union.

In light of Fact #2, claim #2 is debatable. Although I personally would disagree with it, it is debatable (as proof, look at the internal debates we have in Lebanon about Arabism).

Fact #3: Jamaica is not in in the Middle East.
Claim #3: Jamaica should join a Middle Eastern union.

In light of fact #3, Claim #3 is absurd.

It's pretty simple khayyeh Tabouk.

[Ali_81]

Fact #1: Lebanon is not in Europe.
Claim #1: Lebanon should join the EU.

In light of fact #1, Claim #1 is absurd. Similarly, claiming that Lebanon should join NAFTA is absurd. Both of these unions/agreements have an extremely dominant geographical component.

Fact #2: Lebanon is in the Middle East.
Claim #2: Lebanon should join a Middle Eastern union.

In light of Fact #2, claim #2 is debatable. Although I personally would disagree with it, it is debatable (as proof, look at the internal debates we have in Lebanon about Arabism).

Fact #3: Jamaica is not in in the Middle East.
Claim #3: Jamaica should join a Middle Eastern union.

In light of fact #3, Claim #3 is absurd.

It's pretty simple khayyeh Tabouk.

with all my respect to u , i dont think the problem is geography, as tabouk said cyprus is not a part of europe and it is already in teh EU, turkey has less than 10% in europe and there is an active debate to see if it is going to join or not.

for me the problem is the european themselves, they'll never accept a country such as lebanon in their union.

PS, personnally i dont have a problem if lebanon join the EU, hek brussel / Beirut will be less than 200 euros :p

[Ali_81]

with all my respect to u , i dont think the problem is geography, as tabouk said cyprus is not a part of europe and it is already in teh EU, turkey has less than 10% in europe and there is an active debate to see if it is going to join or not.

for me the problem is the european themselves, they'll never accept a country such as lebanon in their union.

PS, personnally i dont have a problem if lebanon join the EU, hek brussel / Beirut will be less than 200 euros :p

And dont forget that Europe is the name of a phoenician princess, right phoenician girl? ;)

[SamIAm]

with all my respect to u , i dont think the problem is geography, as tabouk said cyprus is not a part of europe and it is already in teh EU, turkey has less than 10% in europe and there is an active debate to see if it is going to join or not.

for me the problem is the european themselves, they'll never accept a country such as lebanon in their union.

PS, personnally i dont have a problem if lebanon join the EU, hek brussel / Beirut will be less than 200 euros :pAli,

"Due to sociopolitical and cultural differences, there are various descriptions of Europe's boundary; in some sources, some territories are not included in Europe, while other sources include them. For instance, geographers from Russia and other post-Soviet states generally include the Urals in Europe while including Caucasia in Asia. Numerous geographers consider Azerbaijan's and Armenia's southern border with Iran and Turkey's southern and eastern border with Syria, Iraq, and Iran as the boundary between Asia and Europe. Similarly, the island of Cyprus, though closest to Turkey (Asia Minor), is frequently included in Europe."

There are views that consider Cyprus to be part of Europe. However, there is not one single serious geopolitical theory that considers Lebanon part of Europe (as far as I know).

I do agree with you that the geographical component is not the only thing that would stop Lebanon from joining the EU, just like it would not be the only thing stopping it from joining the NAFTA :). It is, however, a major prerequisite, without which the European Union would not be the European Union.

[SamIAm]

Haha, I just realized how off-topic I am... Khalas, Phoenician_girl is no longer my Arch Nemesis - I'll leave the second spot open for someone else.

Mbasatto heik?? :)

[cedarleb]

Leich Cyprus is in Europe? or the 5% of Turkey makes the country European?
last time i checked Beirut-Limasos is closer then Limasos-Paris or Limasos-Lisbon, i could be wrong though, i'm not good in Geography...

It is upside down the 5% turkey make it asian. Turkey has 2 entities: europ and asia

in Coupe EUFA Cyprus is European
in FIFA Cyprus goes between Europ
in Olympics Cyprus is in Europ
In CIA Factbook it is in The Middle East
in Wikipedia it is a Eurasian because Turkish Cyprus is in asia and greek cyprus is in europ


Lebanon:
in wikipedia is Middle East part of Countries in southwest Asia
in Coupe EUFA doesnt exist
in FIFA in Asian Group
in Olympics in Asian Group
In CIA Factbook Middle East

Lebanon participate in Eurovision as a Francophone country and not as part of europ (Canada participate too)

Ba3dain let us say it is eligible to Join. The EU wont accept Lebanon. Because they were escalate their arguments to all europ, palestinians will create Camps in france and Switzerland, SSNP will call a new Fertile Cresent it will extend from Lebanon to Russia, fa shou baddoun bi hal shaghleh.

[libertarian]

for me the problem is the european themselves, they'll never accept a country such as lebanon in their union.

The Lebanon of the 50s and 60s would have been welcomed in.

[libertarian]

By the way, geography is irrelevant. Israel participates in the Eurovision song contest every year, and they have nothing to do with Europe geographically.

[Phoenician_girl]

And dont forget that Europe is the name of a phoenician princess, right phoenician girl? ;)

Ahh look at you Ali... good on you mate! you're on my favourites list now ;)

[SamIAm]

By the way, geography is irrelevant. Israel participates in the Eurovision song contest every year, and they have nothing to do with Europe geographically.That's not correct. Countries wanting to join the EU have to meet the geographic component of the 'Copenhagen Criteria', along with the political and economic components. (And by the way, Lebanon would fail miserably on all three fronts - thus the absurdity of the Lebanese EU dream).

Geography is one of the main reason why Israel was not admitted in the EU and had to settle for an EU-Israel cooperation agreement.

There are exceptions to the rule, such as French Guiana (a loaded exception), but geography is relevant.

[rm_uk]

we should join EU so that if the israel terror state invades again, france can nuke tel aviv :D

[mosbah88]

There is a lebanese quote says: Baddak tikoul housroum wala ti2toul al natour. In this case you are killing the guardian.



Why dont u ask the above quoter instead of questioning my answer. what arabs has to do with this thread !!

And I always talk on my behalf, but I am sure there are so many who share me the same opinion. But anyway we are not discussing arabs, wana do this open a new thread and dont deviate from main subject.

Well i disagree with your point of view that is very similar to HA and FPM
By critisizing Arabs all the time you'll not prove that you're right this is why i was asking you on behalf of Who (I meant by who, if you'r not arab than you should be something else so what are you. i never meant personnal attack) or you'll be the one killing all guardians without even telling them what do u want.
Who attacked arabs 1st and who deviated from the main subject weird creatures :confused: :eek:

[b3albake]

This is not the same topic... but...

The Lebanon of the 50s and 60s was a Western fantasy that ignored a far more somber reality. It was a contrived illusion of East-meets-West in harmony that ignored the slums that circled a picturesque downtown Beirut.

It was there that discrimination, cruelty, and injustice manifested their by-products. The fringes of Lebanon, impoverished and unrepresented, were far greater than the happy core people saw in travel magazines.

It was then that there was not one single registered doctor in the north, and 0.7% of the GDP was allocated to the South.

It was Lebanon of the 50s and 60s that fomented the war.

The Lebanon of the 50s and 60s would have been welcomed in.

[fatoush]

May i add Frostbite
and Fatoush ;)

Akh, ya Mosbah, akh. :P

As for me:

beirutilibnani - because his posts never add anything to the conversation.
Sprite - because he is so rabidly racist

There are other posters that irritate me mildly because they just spout opinions with no logical basis for their argument. I love hearing an alternate point of view but don't waste my time reading your drivel if you have nothing substantial to say.

[Stan]

Geography is relevant. Morroco made a bid to join the EU and it was rejected since it's not considered part of Europe.
Israel did not make any bid to join the EU. Joining the EU means they would need to amend the Law of return and abolish all forms of discrimination against Palestinians, which is out of the question.
Btw for those calling for Lebanon to join the EU, I hope you realize that this would mean that discrimination against palestinian refugees would no longer be tolerated i.e they should have the right to work, own property and be naturalised. Are you sure you still want to join the EU ? :p

[Dionysos]

Btw for those calling for Lebanon to join the EU, I hope you realize that this would mean that discrimination against palestinian refugees would no longer be tolerated i.e they should have the right to work, own property and be naturalised. Are you sure you still want to join the EU ? :p


hehehehe... After pointing that out I'm sure many will reconsider their position on joining the EU...

[SamIAm]

Geography is relevant. Morroco made a bid to join the EU and it was rejected since it's not considered part of Europe.
Israel did not make any bid to join the EU. Joining the EU means they would need to amend the Law of return and abolish all forms of discrimination against Palestinians, which is out of the question.
Yes, Morocco is a better example - thanks Stan. Although Israel never officially made a bid to join, it has certainly been brought up here and there. I think Berlusconi (the Italian PM) was one of the people campaigning for it, if I'm not mistaken.

Btw for those calling for Lebanon to join the EU, I hope you realize that this would mean that discrimination against palestinian refugees would no longer be tolerated i.e they should have the right to work, own property and be naturalised. Are you sure you still want to join the EU ? :pNot only that, but you'd have to scrap the current political system and forget about appointing officials on any basis that is not fully secular. You'd have to seriously reform all the public institutions. There are a whole set of criteria that countries have to work seriously hard to meet. We don't even have a functional government and we want to join the EU?

Shoo badna bhal shaghleh? Ma mabsooteen kteer metl ma ne7na...

[rm_uk]

The Lebanon of the 50s and 60s would have been welcomed in.

Geography is relevant. Morroco made a bid to join the EU and it was rejected since it's not considered part of Europe.
Israel did not make any bid to join the EU. Joining the EU means they would need to amend the Law of return and abolish all forms of discrimination against Palestinians, which is out of the question.
Btw for those calling for Lebanon to join the EU, I hope you realize that this would mean that discrimination against palestinian refugees would no longer be tolerated i.e they should have the right to work, own property and be naturalised. Are you sure you still want to join the EU ? :p

good point stan:D

lebanon in the 1960s while the economy grew there was no equality. so many were poor, a revolt was bound to happen.

a lot of maronites like to point out how great the 60s were and early 70s economically. well, they weren't great for us :rolleyes: they think they ran the country without descrimination, following the motto 'we are all lebanese':rolleyes: then came the time when the christians were politically supressed in the 1991-2005 period, everone at one time is always getting surpressed

lebanon was never and still isn't a democracy. a bunch of tribal chieftains discussing at a table. that is what it was. there was no democratic spirit. they love to look down on arabs, but we are just as tribal.

[jimbo]

good point stan:D

lebanon in the 1960s while the economy grew there was no equality. so many were poor, a revolt was bound to happen.

a lot of maronites like to point out how great the 60s were and early 70s economically. well, they weren't great for us :rolleyes: they think they ran the country without descrimination, following the motto 'we are all lebanese':rolleyes:

lebanon was never and still isn;t a democracy. a bunch of tribal chieftains discussing at a table. that is what it was. there was no democratic spirit. they love to look down on arabs, but we are just as tribal.


Lebanon is a combination of sects living among each other.
When we keep on mentioning the names of the sects, we will keep on ruining the country.
The solutions should and WILL start within every person, man, woman, and children.
We should put aside the sect matter. i am not talking about forgetting it, on the contrary.
Each person should be allowed to perform his/her religious beliefs in the places made for such thing.
We have plenty you know, we have a lot of churches, mosks , and we have the inside of every person.
Doing so, we will be able to put the foundation stone of our country, only then.

[Hippie]

Where do I put my arch nemesis?

[b3albake]

Right here Hippie... we seem to have skidded off topic, but I would like to go back to the original topic.

So please share!

Where do I put my arch nemesis?

[Ms.]

You can open a new thread to discuss the EU and Lebanon :)

Why do we find it so hard to stick to one topic?

[libertarian]

Why do we always have to stick to one topic? Why not let the thread discussion develop?

[Ahrar]

My arch nemesis?
I currently don't really have any... In the past, it used to be Zeez and Somar; old members probably remember them... They were the Jeckel and Hyde of SSNP on this forum in 2002-2004... Cedars banned them for a month and they never came back...

Zeez, if you are reading this man, COME BACK! I miss your obnoxiousness!

[libertarian]

I remember what Naycola used to call Somar.

[cedarleb]

Well i disagree with your point of view that is very similar to HA and FPM
By critisizing Arabs all the time you'll not prove that you're right this is why i was asking you on behalf of Who (I meant by who, if you'r not arab than you should be something else so what are you. i never meant personnal attack) or you'll be the one killing all guardians without even telling them what do u want.
Who attacked arabs 1st and who deviated from the main subject weird creatures :confused: :eek:

I am not an arab.

Second why dont you read the thread from the start instead of doing what we call Byzantiane argument.

You never ment personal attack, the whole thread is based on personal attack.

Arch nemesis, why? because bla bla bla this is personal attack in a civilized way.

[LF Agent007]

I don't know about arch nemisis....... but there sure are a lot of nuts.

Should I provide a top 10 list of members I'd most recommend be confined to a white room strapped in a strait jacket :p ??

10. ?????

[FrostBite]

Quote:
Originally Posted by mosbah88 http://lebanese-forces.org/vbullet/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://lebanese-forces.org/vbullet/showthread.php?p=309952#post309952)
May i add Frostbite
and Fatoush ;)


Mosbah Ya Mosbah , inta turn down ur voltage and U will be fine, U are just overcharged with the religious Jumbo mubo:D .

[Ms.]

Why do we always have to stick to one topic? Why not let the thread discussion develop?

You could always open a General discussion topic :)

[Tabouk]

I hope you realize that this would mean that discrimination against palestinian refugees would no longer be tolerated i.e they should have the right to work, own property and be naturalised. Are you sure you still want to join the EU ? :p

At least they will earn their living, and will not steal my electricity... at least they'll work instead of smoking Argileh ;)

[mosbah88]

Akh, ya Mosbah, akh. :P

As for me:

beirutilibnani - because his posts never add anything to the conversation.
Sprite - because he is so rabidly racist

There are other posters that irritate me mildly because they just spout opinions with no logical basis for their argument. I love hearing an alternate point of view but don't waste my time reading your drivel if you have nothing substantial to say.

I thought u'll not reply, can you deny that u irritated me :)
anyway was just trying to get u in here.

[mosbah88]

I am not an arab.

Second why dont you read the thread from the start instead of doing what we call Byzantiane argument.

You never ment personal attack, the whole thread is based on personal attack.

Arch nemesis, why? because bla bla bla this is personal attack in a civilized way.

Good for us you'r not arab little boy.
And my main contradiction with u was because of the last sentence of ur 1st post. And to not deviate from the main subject let me add u to my list :D
well clearly it shows that you r one of those who say "I'm against..." but never have the ability to say "I am with..."

[mosbah88]

Quote:
Originally Posted by mosbah88 http://lebanese-forces.org/vbullet/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://lebanese-forces.org/vbullet/showthread.php?p=309952#post309952)
May i add Frostbite
and Fatoush ;)


Mosbah Ya Mosbah , inta turn down ur voltage and U will be fine, U are just overcharged with the religious Jumbo mubo:D .

the link is not working so i couldn't go there so clarify pleeez :)

[cedarleb]

Good for us you'r not arab little boy.

Ms. did this insult passed u by?

[Lebanese_Forever]

HUH?! :eek:
I saw this thread in its beginnings and I'm just checking it out again. How the heck did it morph from arch nemesis to Byzantine and Arabs and Europeans.

And, khayyeh Sprite, it's none of my business, but since when did "little boy" become an insult? :) I must have been away from Lebanon for too long! :)

LF

[cedarleb]

HUH?! :eek:
And, khayyeh Sprite, it's none of my business, but since when did "little boy" become an insult? :) I must have been away from Lebanon for too long! :)

LF

I dont live in Lebanon

[mosbah88]

HUH?! :eek:
I saw this thread in its beginnings and I'm just checking it out again. How the heck did it morph from arch nemesis to Byzantine and Arabs and Europeans.

And, khayyeh Sprite, it's none of my business, but since when did "little boy" become an insult? :) I must have been away from Lebanon for too long! :)

LF

ma3leish khayee thx for replying on my behalf our anti-arabs friend is escaping the answers :D

[rm_uk]

seeing as everyone is being so frank I will revaluate what I said. My original input into this discussion was inadequate.

My real arch nemesis are people like reine, savhanna and phoenix. They come preaching unity and smiles and all this 'we are all lebanese' rubbish. From these empty words, you can be fooled into relying on people like this. But that is a mistake; a grave mistake because when a difficult time comes they show how fraudulent they acted and the true tribalism in their hearts.

You would think to rely on them, but you would be very wrong.

I prefer people on this forum that are honestly and loudly very very concentrated on their own community. You rely on them in this respect. You would think you could rely on people like reine, savhanna and phoenix to show empathy and unity in difficult times, but you cannot. You rely on them exactly the same method you rely on sectarians in hard times—to know they will show total disregard to decency.

Their behaviour reminds me of something i once heard 'See, your murders come with smiles, they come as your 'friends'..... And they always seem to come at a time that you're at your weakest and most in need of their help.'

[savhanna]

My real arch nemesis are people like savhanna They come preaching unity and smiles and all this 'we are all lebanese' rubbish. From these empty words, you can be fooled into relying on people like this. But that is a mistake; a grave mistake because when a difficult time comes they show how fraudulent they act and the true tribalism in their hearts.



rm_uk I thank you alot for your honesty...I cannot tell you you are wrong in your *****sment of me...becuase this is your opinion and you have full right to that

I know myself...and what I believe to be true and right...and the choices I make in that life...I must live with

It would be interesting to meet with you one day...

I wish you peace in your heart and your mind

Respects
Savhanna

[BG]

rm_uk,
I dont know how you came up with such an anaylsis, but given the fact that i know those people you mentioned, you are SOOO wrong my friend ..

Sometimes, it helps to see things as they are, no need to dig deeper.

[cedarleb]

My real arch nemesis are people like reine, savhanna and phoenix. They come preaching unity and smiles and all this 'we are all lebanese' rubbish.

Savhanna is not lebanese. :)

[HerMajesty]

Ok now you have a definate spot in my "members I can't be bothered with".

You know what is a real HUGE turn off? (and when I say turn off I mean it equally for women and men- i get turned off taking them seriously)
When someone makes such a collosal and pathetic misguided apparent 'judgement' with respect to another person.

the only worth that can be taken out of your " as s essment" is the first three letters which is an indication of where your thoughts are being processed.

People like you remind me of those losers i used to feel sorry for at school- the ones who would crawl up to the trend of the month but would try and discredit the real genuine good people- only to be metaphorically spat at by both.

I repect Savhanna more than many of the others here combined and your at the head with your pathetic suck up my rear avtar.

GO PICK ON SOMEONE WITH YOUR OWN LACK OF MORALS.

TFEH


seeing as everyone is being so frank I will revaluate what I said. My original input into this discussion was inadequate.

My real arch nemesis are people like reine, savhanna and phoenix. They come preaching unity and smiles and all this 'we are all lebanese' rubbish. From these empty words, you can be fooled into relying on people like this. But that is a mistake; a grave mistake because when a difficult time comes they show how fraudulent they acted and the true tribalism in their hearts.

You would think to rely on them, but you would be very wrong.

I prefer people on this forum that are honestly and loudly very very concentrated on their own community. You rely on them in this respect. You would think you could rely on people like reine, savhanna and phoenix to show empathy and unity in difficult times, but you cannot. You rely on them exactly the same method you rely on sectarians in hard times—to know they will show total disregard to decency.

Their behaviour reminds me of something i once heard 'See, your murders come with smiles, they come as your 'friends'..... And they always seem to come at a time that you're at your weakest and most in need of their help.'

[RJMduck]

I like everyone!

[rm_uk]

rm_uk,
I dont know how you came up with such an anaylsis, but given the fact that i know those people you mentioned, you are SOOO wrong my friend ..

Sometimes, it helps to see things as they are, no need to dig deeper.

I do see things as they are and I explained what I saw. I had a suspicion my post was going to prompt a little playground charade where people come in and defend their friends. This firmly goes against the spirit of the thread.

Ok now you have a definate spot in my "members I can't be bothered with".

lol i don't care if you don't like me


You know what is a real HUGE turn off? (and when I say turn off I mean it equally for women and men- i get turned off taking them seriously)
When someone makes such a collosal and pathetic misguided apparent 'judgement' with respect to another person. I am not here to turn anyone on, least of all you.


the only worth that can be taken out of your " as s essment" is the first three letters which is an indication of where your thoughts are being processed. lol devoid of any original thought so she comes up with a generic reply... and I am the one not engaging my brain.


People like you remind me of those losers i used to feel sorry for at school- the ones who would crawl up to the trend of the month but would try and discredit the real genuine good people- only to be metaphorically spat at by both. Did they actually teach you anything at school?


I repect Savhanna more than many of the others here combined and your at the head with your pathetic suck up my rear avtar. That is very touching :rolleyes:

Incidently that is a great many number of people you are calling pathetic suck ups, many had a related avatar up.

But just to explain myself, I haven never sucked up to anyone here-- I have argued with so many people, many at the same time. I have even got banned several times :D As for baalbake specifically, I never sucked up and have disagreed with him on many occasion. lol oh and i did not defend him while he was getting attacked in this thread either ;)

Oh and i'm glad the the avatars have had such a grave effect on everyone-- more reason to keep them on


GO PICK ON SOMEONE WITH YOUR OWN LACK OF MORALS.

TFEHlol for a self-righteous christian you are not too big on the 'love and forgiveness'... what a very christian post you made:D

I appeal to the rest of you please, do not turn this into 'oh i want to hijack the whole thread to defend my friend' debate. That would be very selfish. I simply answered the questions posed in the original post. Do not ruin the thread.

[lebnan_united]

There were many people on this forum that egged on the Israelis last summer; some I would expect nothing more from, other people I was extremely surprised with.

For a Lebanese to encourage and support an external power as brutal and callous as the Israelis, for me is inexcusable. Once it became evident the Israelis were chopping down civilians for fun, it became a MORAL responsibilty to oppose that, let alone a national responsibilty.

There are certain groups in Lebanon that I am against politically. For example I am dead set against extremist sunni groups prevelent in Palestinian camps in Lebanon. But I would never in a zillion years support a brutal enemy blasting the Palestinian camps slaughtering civilians just so that my opponents can be obliterated. And this is coming from a Lebanese, not a Palestinian.

So I would like to lend rm_uk my support because I do understand his position and why he feels the way he does. However this doesn't mean I consider those people named by rm_uk as my arch nemesis also.

[cedarleb]

For a Lebanese to encourage and support an external power as brutal and callous as the Israelis, for me is inexcusable.

What about those who supported the syrians in their brutality ie AMAL and HIZBDODALLAH those are excused. Get real.

[mosbah88]

What about those who supported the syrians in their brutality ie AMAL and HIZBDODALLAH those are excused. Get real.

Sprite you r my arch nemesis but i REALLY like you when you talk about HA and amal and all pro Syrian bull**** i will be considering removing you from my list :D

[rm_uk]

Sprite you r my arch nemesis .... i will be considering removing you from my list :D

i disagree with sprite on pretty much all issues in lebanon lol, but i appreciate his honesty in expressing his opinion

seeing as everyone is being so frank I will revaluate what I said. My original input into this discussion was inadequate.

My real arch nemesis are people like reine, savhanna and phoenix. They come preaching unity and smiles and all this 'we are all lebanese' rubbish. From these empty words, you can be fooled into relying on people like this. But that is a mistake; a grave mistake because when a difficult time comes they show how fraudulent they acted and the true tribalism in their hearts.

You would think to rely on them, but you would be very wrong.

I prefer people on this forum that are honestly and loudly very very concentrated on their own community. You rely on them in this respect. You would think you could rely on people like reine, savhanna and phoenix to show empathy and unity in difficult times, but you cannot. You rely on them exactly the same method you rely on sectarians in hard times—to know they will show total disregard to decency.

Their behaviour reminds me of something i once heard 'See, your murders come with smiles, they come as your 'friends'..... And they always seem to come at a time that you're at your weakest and most in need of their help.'

oh i forgot to add Cetine to the list, no doubt i will get attacked for this by worshippers as well

[lebnan_united]

What about those who supported the syrians in their brutality ie AMAL and HIZBDODALLAH those are excused. Get real.

The Israelis have caused more death and destruction in Lebanon than Syria has ever done. That's not to defend Syrian brutality(what more can one expect from Arab regimes), but I would never put Syria on par with the Israelis. p.s Hezbollah have never supported Syrian brutality. But have u supported Israeli crimes?

[cedarleb]

The Israelis have caused more death and destruction in Lebanon than Syria has ever done. That's not to defend Syrian brutality(what more can one expect from Arab regimes), but I would never put Syria on par with the Israelis. p.s Hezbollah have never supported Syrian brutality. But have u supported Israeli crimes?


Really? so you tell a joke as usual and u believe it urself.!!

Israel assasinate in Lebanon ONLY Hizbdodallah figure.ie Abbas al Mousawi..How Many Politicians Syrians assasinate I can start with Kamal Joumblat, Selim Lawze, Riad Taha, Bechir Gemayel, Sheikh Soubhi Saleh, Mohamad Choucair, Sheikh Hasan Khaled, President Rene Mouawad, Ramzi Irani (with the help of lebanese terrorists), Gibran Tueni and soon the prove of The others on hold. Syria destruct Lebanon from 1978 to 1990 without Stop for one single year, and most destructive years were 1978, 1981, 1982, 1985, 1989 and 1990. GET REAL

Whoever believe that israel caused more killing and destruction then syrian is nothing but a syrian puppet.

P.S ـ بطرس خوند : لبناني بنتمي إلى حزب الكتائب . تشير المعلومات المتوفرة إلى أن حزب الله اللبناني اختطفه أواسط أيلول / سبتمبر 1992 و سلمه إلى المخابرات السورية بتاريخ 2 تشرين الأول / أكتوبر من العام نفسه . وكانت هذه المعلومات تشير إلى أنه في عهدة المخابرات العسكرية السورية . إلا أن آخر المعلومات تشير إلى أنه نقل
من مقر قيادة المخابرات الجوية إلى معتقل خان أبو الشامات منذ شهر نيسان / أبريل 1997

Yep they never supported syrian brutality...they were their tools

NOW YOU WANA DISCUSS THAT OPEN A THREAD IN POLITICAL FORUM KEEP THIS AS GENERAL DISCUSSION.

[BOULOS 1]

Pro 27:6 Friends mean well, even when they hurt you. But when an enemy puts his arm around your shoulder---watch out!

[mosbah88]

The Israelis have caused more death and destruction in Lebanon than Syria has ever done. That's not to defend Syrian brutality(what more can one expect from Arab regimes), but I would never put Syria on par with the Israelis. p.s Hezbollah have never supported Syrian brutality. But have u supported Israeli crimes?

honestly i give you an advise or u go read some history or you can start visiting lebanese public cafee and streets so you can have some info. before u post.
Re. the Bold sentence you are damn right cuz what Syris did in Lebanon Israel needs 100s of year to accomplish it.
Syrian have there own way of killing a human being is nothing to them so they don't even care about numbers.
Israel is criminal and brutal but at least they r professional.

[Cetine]

oh i forgot to add Cetine to the list, no doubt i will get attacked for this by worshippers as well

hehe i was surprised you are the only one to say so!! :)

ma fi worshippers so do not worry, no one will attack you

as for the the question of the thread, there is no one, but people do infuriate me from time to time :)